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#1     Oct 16, '11, 2:17 pm

truthsave Junior Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: September 26, 2011 Location: Switzerland Posts: 430 Religion: Eastern Orthodox

Joseph Smith was prophetized in the Bible Since it was a little disturbing that such a glorious prophet like Joseph Smith, that had to have the revelation of the last humanity times, was not in any point object of the Bible prophecy, he Joseph Smith himself made a translation (mormons use translation in a very large sense it is more like adding lost things by supposed revelation) where he was in. And his name, in according to his revelation, was in there since the very beginning. From Genesis. So to respond to the people that were wondering how was possible that his name was never cited in the Bible this was Smith's answer. He added (by "revelation") many things in Genesis 50 and : 33 And that seer will I bless, and they that seek to destroy him shall be confounded; for this promise I give unto you; for I will remember you from generation to generation; and his name shall be called Joseph, and it shall be after the name of his father; and he shall be like unto you; for the thing which the Lord shall bring forth by his hand shall bring my people unto salvation. And now is name was there. Of course his father name was also Joseph so he clearly and with nodoubt received a revelation about himself not about another Joseph. His name, himself was written in the Bible since the beginning. __________________

#2     Oct 16, '11, 3:05 pm

Pfaffenhoffen Banned   Join Date: August 4, 2011 Posts: 4,043 Religion: Roman Catholic Church, Latin Rite

Re: Joseph Smith was prophetized in the Bible Quote: Originally Posted by truthsave Since it was a little disturbing that such a glorious prophet like Joseph Smith, that had to have the revelation of the last humanity times, was not in any point object of the Bible prophecy, he Joseph Smith himself made a translation (mormons use translation in a very large sense it is more like adding lost things by supposed revelation) where he was in. And his name, in according to his revelation, was in there since the very beginning. From Genesis. So to respond to the people that were wondering how was possible that his name was never cited in the Bible this was Smith's answer. He added (by "revelation") many things in Genesis 50 and : 33 And that seer will I bless, and they that seek to destroy him shall be confounded; for this promise I give unto you; for I will remember you from generation to generation; and his name shall be called Joseph, and it shall be after the name of his father; and he shall be like unto you; for the thing which the Lord shall bring forth by his hand shall bring my people unto salvation. And now is name was there. Of course his father name was also Joseph so he clearly and with nodoubt received a revelation about himself not about another Joseph. His name, himself was written in the Bible since the beginning. Is this some kind of a joke? I could not follow the reasoning from an Eastern Orthodox....But this is a free world..............

#3     Oct 16, '11, 3:13 pm

jakasaki Regular Member   Join Date: December 17, 2008 Location: New York - USA Posts: 5,454 Religion: Eastern Orthodox ~ Byzantine

Re: Joseph Smith was prophetized in the Bible Quote: Originally Posted by truthsave Since it was a little disturbing that such a glorious prophet like Joseph Smith, that had to have the revelation of the last humanity times, was not in any point object of the Bible prophecy, he Joseph Smith himself made a translation (mormons use translation in a very large sense it is more like adding lost things by supposed revelation) where he was in. And his name, in according to his revelation, was in there since the very beginning. From Genesis. So to respond to the people that were wondering how was possible that his name was never cited in the Bible this was Smith's answer. He added (by "revelation") many things in Genesis 50 and : 33 And that seer will I bless, and they that seek to destroy him shall be confounded; for this promise I give unto you; for I will remember you from generation to generation; and his name shall be called Joseph, and it shall be after the name of his father; and he shall be like unto you; for the thing which the Lord shall bring forth by his hand shall bring my people unto salvation. And now is name was there. Of course his father name was also Joseph so he clearly and with nodoubt received a revelation about himself not about another Joseph. His name, himself was written in the Bible since the beginning. Seriously - This is just as funny as the muslim claim that mohamad is mentioned in the Bible. Joseph Smith is a self proclaimed prophet - just like many others. The Bible warned us about "false prophets"... __________________

#4     Oct 16, '11, 3:24 pm

truthsave Junior Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: September 26, 2011 Location: Switzerland Posts: 430 Religion: Eastern Orthodox

Re: Joseph Smith was prophetized in the Bible Quote: Originally Posted by Pfaffenhoffen Is this some kind of a joke? I could not follow the reasoning from an Eastern Orthodox....But this is a free world.............. ...my reasoning is that anybody can prophetize of himself with the very same strategy. Even you and me can do the same. With the same attitude you can have a "personal revelation" and put your name in the Bible. But you have to specify also the name of your father so it is clearly you... It is like me saying I am a great prophet and doing something that can make people think a little truth of my affirmation. But then since somebody couold ask himself how come my name, if I was that important was not cited in the Bible, I say to him nothing and one day I come out I had a revelation where it is not that my name was not in the Bible but that the part that was talking of myself was lost... Every body can do this. Every faulse prophet can prophetize about himself. Of whose importance must prophetize a faulse prophet either then on himself? I just find incredible how some people can believe doing an act like that it is just ok. __________________

#5     Oct 16, '11, 3:27 pm

Miriam1947 Regular Member   Join Date: February 18, 2008 Posts: 1,587 Religion: Catholic

Re: Joseph Smith was prophetized in the Bible I cannot find the verse you are citing. Please give chapter and verse. Thanks. Wait is this even in our Bibles? Please supply a valid bible citation in BCV format (book chapter:verse). VeritasBible.com Guess I should re-read Genesis. Especially since it ends at Genesis 50:25 Genesis 50:24-25 (Douay Rheims) 24 And he made them swear to him, saying: God will visit you, carry my bones with you out of this place: 25 And he died being a hundred and ten years old. And being embalmed he was laid in a coffin in Egypt. Show with Knox Bible :: New Jerusalem Bible :: Latin Vulgate :: Haydock Commentary Bible passage courtesy of VeritasBible.com __________________ Catholic-Easter vigil 2008

#6     Oct 16, '11, 3:32 pm

jakasaki Regular Member   Join Date: December 17, 2008 Location: New York - USA Posts: 5,454 Religion: Eastern Orthodox ~ Byzantine

Re: Joseph Smith was prophetized in the Bible Quote: Originally Posted by truthsave Since it was a little disturbing that such a glorious prophet like Joseph Smith, that had to have the revelation of the last humanity times, was not in any point object of the Bible prophecy, he Joseph Smith himself made a translation (mormons use translation in a very large sense it is more like adding lost things by supposed revelation) where he was in. And his name, in according to his revelation, was in there since the very beginning. From Genesis. So to respond to the people that were wondering how was possible that his name was never cited in the Bible this was Smith's answer. He added (by "revelation") many things in Genesis 50 and : 33 And that seer will I bless, and they that seek to destroy him shall be confounded; for this promise I give unto you; for I will remember you from generation to generation; and his name shall be called Joseph, and it shall be after the name of his father; and he shall be like unto you; for the thing which the Lord shall bring forth by his hand shall bring my people unto salvation. And now is name was there. Of course his father name was also Joseph so he clearly and with nodoubt received a revelation about himself not about another Joseph. His name, himself was written in the Bible since the beginning. Yeah - there is no Genesis 50:33 Genesis 50 stops at 26 Perhaps a typo error... __________________

#7     Oct 16, '11, 3:32 pm

truthsave Junior Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: September 26, 2011 Location: Switzerland Posts: 430 Religion: Eastern Orthodox

Re: Joseph Smith was prophetized in the Bible Quote: Originally Posted by Miriam1947 I cannot find the verse you are citing. Please give chapter and verse. Thanks. Genesis 50:33 ...but Joseph Smith " inspired translation". So you won't find in your Bible. You have to check in.... ok I can give you the link (look at 33) http://lds.org/scriptures/jst/jst-gen/50?lang=eng __________________

#8     Oct 16, '11, 3:39 pm

Miriam1947 Regular Member   Join Date: February 18, 2008 Posts: 1,587 Religion: Catholic

Re: Joseph Smith was prophetized in the Bible Yes I found it when I typed Genesis 50:33 into a search engine it came up with the LDS version of the Bible. Too funny and so sad at the same time. __________________ Catholic-Easter vigil 2008

#9     Oct 16, '11, 3:41 pm

jakasaki Regular Member   Join Date: December 17, 2008 Location: New York - USA Posts: 5,454 Religion: Eastern Orthodox ~ Byzantine

Re: Joseph Smith was prophetized in the Bible Quote: Originally Posted by truthsave Genesis 50:33 ...but Joseph Smith " inspired translation". So you won't find in your Bible. You have to check in.... ok I can give you the link (look at 33) http://lds.org/scriptures/jst/jst-gen/50?lang=eng Yes - JS wrote his own bible but it's not our Bible Genesis 50 stops @ 26: 26So Joseph died at the age of a hundred and ten. And after they embalmed him, he was placed in a coffin in Egypt. Smith: #26 26 A seer shall the Lord my God raise up, who shall be a choice seer unto the fruit of my loins. This thread is not worth answering anymore ~ Good night.. from New York... __________________

#10     Oct 16, '11, 3:46 pm

truthsave Junior Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: September 26, 2011 Location: Switzerland Posts: 430 Religion: Eastern Orthodox

Re: Joseph Smith was prophetized in the Bible Quote: Originally Posted by jakasaki Yeah - there is no Genesis 50:33 Genesis 50 stops at 26 Perhaps a typo error... The Normal Bible... in the Bible were missing just about everything that was talking about Joseph Smith, so how do you think if his name was not there, since must be there for some more credibility Smith would do? Just have a revelation about a section that was lost! and that of course was talking about him. This is very credible. I can understand been fouled by extremely subtil and elegantly perverses faulse prophets, but things like that! What you want more. It just means that Joseph Smith didn't fooled with a special ability, but he fouled just people that were for some reason absolutely willing to be fooled. I don't have any other exlplication of that. I can immagine my wife face if I tell her I am a prophet and she doesn't believe me and then I say I will prove you and one day waking up and saying I can proove you since I had a revelation and in this revelation my name was in Genesis and it is not there because that part has been lost. Of course in the Bible will be missing also everything else concerning myself (unfortunately lost). But I could have other revelation on the missing part talking about myself You would believe me? And if you don't believe me it means that the devil has just fooled you and made you confused. __________________ Last edited by truthsave; Oct 16, '11 at 4:01 pm.

#11     Oct 16, '11, 3:50 pm

truthsave Junior Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: September 26, 2011 Location: Switzerland Posts: 430 Religion: Eastern Orthodox

Re: Joseph Smith was prophetized in the Bible Quote: Originally Posted by Miriam1947 Yes I found it when I typed Genesis 50:33 into a search engine it came up with the LDS version of the Bible. Too funny and so sad at the same time. As you say, too funny and so sad at the same time. May our Lord have mercy on Joseph Smith's soul. __________________

#12     Oct 16, '11, 4:41 pm

ParkerD Banned   Join Date: March 17, 2009 Location: Utah Posts: 5,690 Religion: LDS Church

Re: Joseph Smith was prophetized in the Bible Quote: Originally Posted by truthsave ... 33 And that seer will I bless, and they that seek to destroy him shall be confounded; for this promise I give unto you; for I will remember you from generation to generation; and his name shall be called Joseph, and it shall be after the name of his father; and he shall be like unto you; for the thing which the Lord shall bring forth by his hand shall bring my people unto salvation. ... To the general reader: Those who happen to read and wonder about this, might as well understand that Joseph Smith received the revealed prophecy that had been given to Joseph of old, the son of Jacob (Israel) and great-grandson of Abraham, through what he translated from the ancient record that became the basis of the Book of Mormon. One can see this in 2 Nephi 3. Joseph of old thus had a more important role than just being sold into Egypt and ending up saving his family from starvation--he received prophetic inspiration about the future of the house of Israel and about his own posterity, through his sons Ephraim and Manasseh. Those studying this topic in depth would want to study Ezekiel 37 also, as well as Genesis 49:10, 22 and 26.

#13     Oct 16, '11, 5:05 pm

truthsave Junior Member Prayer Warrior   Join Date: September 26, 2011 Location: Switzerland Posts: 430 Religion: Eastern Orthodox

Re: Joseph Smith was prophetized in the Bible Quote: Originally Posted by ParkerD To the general reader: Those who happen to read and wonder about this, might as well understand that Joseph Smith received the revealed prophecy that had been given to Joseph of old, the son of Jacob (Israel) and great-grandson of Abraham, through what he translated from the ancient record that became the basis of the Book of Mormon. One can see this in 2 Nephi 3. Joseph of old thus had a more important role than just being sold into Egypt and ending up saving his family from starvation--he received prophetic inspiration about the future of the house of Israel and about his own posterity, through his sons Ephraim and Manasseh. Those studying this topic in depth would want to study Ezekiel 37 also, as well as Genesis 49:10, 22 and 26. I am so glad you pointed this out! I hope some reader will study what are you proposing. You should also suggest what the average reader should find in these scriptures you are proposing if not would be very hard to understand for him expecially if he had not a mormon formation. __________________

#14     Oct 16, '11, 5:09 pm

Miriam1947 Regular Member   Join Date: February 18, 2008 Posts: 1,587 Religion: Catholic

Re: Joseph Smith was prophetized in the Bible Quote: Originally Posted by jakasaki Yes - JS wrote his own bible but it's not our Bible Genesis 50 stops @ 26: 26So Joseph died at the age of a hundred and ten. And after they embalmed him, he was placed in a coffin in Egypt. Smith: #26 26 A seer shall the Lord my God raise up, who shall be a choice seer unto the fruit of my loins. This thread is not worth answering anymore ~ Good night.. from New York... In the DR bible it stops at 25. I'm only mentioning that for visitors. It's just like the 23rd psalm is not 23 in the DR it is psalm 22. psalm 22 (Douay Rheims) 1 A psalm for David. The Lord ruleth me: and I shall want nothing. 2 He hath set me in a place of pasture. He hath brought me up, on the water of refreshment: 3 He hath converted my soul. He hath led me on the paths of justice, for his own name's sake. 4 For though I should walk in the midst of the shadow of death, I will fear no evils, for thou art with me. Thy rod and thy staff, they have comforted me. 5 Thou hast prepared a table before me against them that afflict me. Thou hast anointed my head with oil; and my chalice which inebriateth me, how goodly is it! 6 And thy mercy will follow me all the days of my life. And that I may dwell in the house of the Lord unto length of days. Show with Knox Bible :: New Jerusalem Bible :: Latin Vulgate :: Haydock Commentary Bible passage courtesy of VeritasBible.com __________________ Catholic-Easter vigil 2008

#15     Oct 17, '11, 2:49 am

Pfaffenhoffen Banned   Join Date: August 4, 2011 Posts: 4,043 Religion: Roman Catholic Church, Latin Rite

Re: Joseph Smith was prophetized in the Bible Quote: Originally Posted by truthsave ...my reasoning is that anybody can prophetize of himself with the very same strategy. Even you and me can do the same. With the same attitude you can have a "personal revelation" and put your name in the Bible. But you have to specify also the name of your father so it is clearly you... It is like me saying I am a great prophet and doing something that can make people think a little truth of my affirmation. But then since somebody couold ask himself how come my name, if I was that important was not cited in the Bible, I say to him nothing and one day I come out I had a revelation where it is not that my name was not in the Bible but that the part that was talking of myself was lost... Every body can do this. Every faulse prophet can prophetize about himself. Of whose importance must prophetize a faulse prophet either then on himself? I just find incredible how some people can believe doing an act like that it is just ok. I think I barely understood it..Pretty crazy, no? ... Thanks...